Lines and Polygons Feedback
Kye Adams
Any plans for the ability to add multiple lines and/or polygons to the same record? The use case would be planning fencing and revegetation areas.
Thanks,
Kye
Adrian Zuniga
Kye Adams: Hi Kyle, you can create multiple geometries in a record today using Repeatables. There is an option to enable advanced geometry on a repeatable section in the app editor. Is that helpful?
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Blake Caldwell
Are there any plans to show the records actual geometry on the PDF reports? Currently it looks like it is converted to a centroid
Adrian Zuniga
Hi Blake Caldwell, yes, this is on our roadmap. Thanks for mentioning it. I can update you when we start working on it.
Adrian Zuniga
Blake Caldwell: This is in progress. I'll update again here when it's live.
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Ricky Peterika
Please enable polygon fill transparency adjustments, To clearly see the base layer below, we have to resort to almost closed lines instead.
Adrian Zuniga
Ricky Peterika: Thanks for the suggestion. We're going to address this.
Adam Wallace
Is there any ability to import lines and polygons? I assume that becuase the documentation is currently silent on it, it is not available?
Shawn Pickett
Adam Wallace: The line / polygons would need to be stored in separate shapefiles. I have not tried the import yet, but I assume you would just include the fulcrum_id / ID of the related records. The documentation does mention it, but does not lay things out explicitly:
Adrian Zuniga
Adam Wallace: Yes, this is possible. Please note that the app you are importing to must have 'Advanced Geometry Enabled'.
Adam Wallace
Excellent, thanks Shawn Pickett and Adrian Zuniga
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Blake Caldwell
A "Check" icon to finish the geometry sketch, rather than (or in addition to) double clicking, would be a nice-to-have
Adrian Zuniga
Blake Caldwell: Great feedback, I'll pass this along to our design team.
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Blake Caldwell
This is more of a wish list item, but the ability to edit geometries from the main fulcrum web map, without having to go into each individual record
In the below example, it would be nice to just be able to drag the lines over to the point quickly from the main map, without having to click in and edit both records
Adrian Zuniga
Blake Caldwell: Thanks for the feedback Blake. We'll consider this as part of the roadmap of enhancements to Lines and Polygons.
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Blake Caldwell
Having the ability to set the drawing order of the various feature types
i.e. I would like our points to draw on top of any lines or polygons
Adrian Zuniga
Blake Caldwell: Great idea!
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Blake Caldwell
Basemap goes black occasionally when editing geometry with advanced geometry enabled
Adrian Zuniga
Blake Caldwell: This sounds like a bug. We'll look into it.
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Blake Caldwell
I'm not sure if I am missing something, but I can create the lines and polygons in the app, but when I export the record, it is exported a point. Are we not able to access the polyline or polygon geometries after exporting the feature?
You can see in the attached screenshot that the line was stored as a point feature in the geodatabase. Looking at the CSV exports, it seems to be the same thing
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Blake Caldwell
Using the 'Fulcrum Downloader' as shapefile seems to retain the geometries. Exporting to GDB only stores point feature classes. The problem with shapefiles is they truncate the field names, require a lot of field mapping on the back end
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Blake Caldwell
It looks like a relic of how the geoJSON is being constructed. It is being given a property of "feature_type":"Line", but the actually geometry being stored as a single point array
The normal construction of polyline geoJSONS contains all the vertex coordinates needed to construct the polyline array (snip #2 - geojson I created)
Adrian Zuniga
Blake Caldwell: Hi Blake, as you noted, the Data Downloader supports geometries, however Exporting currently does not (it's scheduled to be deprecated). Please give the Data Downloader a try and let us know if that meets your needs. Here's a help doc that might help: https://help.fulcrumapp.com/en/articles/2437004-what-is-the-data-downloader
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Kirk M
Blake Caldwell: Same here! When trying to export using the blue button "Download Data", the lines that we added were not exported to usable line in shp or kml, this is essential :-)
Kara Fox
Kirk M: Hi Kirk, this functionality is working now- if you've tried recently and are still having issues, please reach out to customer support using the red bubble in the bottom right of the screen and we'll get you running!
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Kirk M
Kara Fox: Thanks for the response, sorry to clarify further after tinkering, the lines are in a repeat within the inspection and those aren't being exported as lines but as non working point sets. If I make the locate of the main inspection a line, I got that to export correctly.
Kara Fox
Kirk M: Understood- we do have this issue reported. I've prioritized it on a team for investigation. Thank you for raising the issue to our attention.
Shawn Pickett
Adrian Zuniga Zac McCormick - I was just thinking of one other idea to maximize the use case of polygons and lines outside of a single app with all geometries... And this may be a crazy idea...
Allow users to "turn on" other fulcrum apps while they are in the map view, similar to how we can toggle on layers. Coupled with snapping, this would allow someone to have a separate app full of lines or polygons that they could use as reference data when creating new records. I could see this tied to a souped up version of the current option to make Fulcrum apps basemap layers.
In most cases, users will already have apps with a lot of data in them. This would allow them to continue to use the same point-based forms to collect data over top the lines and polygons that get added in new forms. This is skirting the line with making Fulcrum a "map-based" or map-centric application instead of form-based, but I think there is a lot of utility that could be had with it.
Adrian Zuniga
Shawn Pickett: Thanks for following up with the idea! We'll consider this as we continue to look for ways to improve Fulcrum.
Adrian Zuniga
Shawn Pickett: Also, FYI - it is possible to add records from other apps as a map layer. https://help.fulcrumapp.com/en/articles/75423-how-do-i-add-a-layer-from-another-fulcrum-app
Shawn Pickett
Adrian Zuniga: The current state of Fulcrum basemaps makes them less than ideal for this use case:
* They are not available on mobile devices, meaning they can't be used by the field teams as reference layers
* They use the same symbology as the original app, which is convenient for setup, but it means we end up with a collection of features on the map that all use the same color palette (records in app and layer records).
* More generally, there is no visual distinction made between the "layer" records and the "app" records, meaning you don't know if the points (or soon to be lines and polygons) are from the layer or the app. The only way to indirectly tell is if you hover or click on a point. Layer records won't show anything and app records will display the record title or open.
* The above issues are compounded if you have multiple Fulcrum app-based layers turned on.
Some potential solutions to this would be:
* Provide some control of the symbology of the Fulcrum layers and/or expand the current symbology options in general.
* Expose the record title of the Fulcrum layer records to give us some context.
* Provide some way of distinguishing app records and layer records, such as:
* Halo, marker/stroke size, etc.
* Give the layer record title pop-ups a different color, outline, symbol, etc.
* Add the Layer name to the record title of the layer records (maybe as a subtitle?)
Adrian Zuniga
Shawn Pickett: Thank you for the fantastic feedback and ideas. I'll take this feedback to our design team and we'll see what we can do to give you a better experience when viewing multiple apps/layers on a map.
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